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Extraction question, please.
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| Barracuda1965 Member |
posted 09-17-1999 04:52 PM
If someone had attempted extraction using hypothetical extraction method of 1) grind red pills 2) acetone soak (fibers revealed) 3) denatured (ethanol denatured with methanol)alcohol soak and filter. 4) dH20 soak chill and filter. 5) Air dry on pyrex pie plate. 6) Hypothetical result 3 or 4 grams of waxy orange stuff. Problem? Insufficient drying between steps? Removal of orange/red dye? Does that even matter? This is all hypothetical, of course.
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| mnm Member |
posted 09-17-1999 07:02 PM
Do an A/B extraction that should get rid of all that unwanted filler/dyes etc. -mnm |
| dwarfer Member |
posted 09-17-1999 08:10 PM
Sorry to stick my overly large dwarfish red nose into this: but Worlock's used to it, so i presume he'll forgive me: Why don't you just TRY, once, the sand filter (chromatography column) and alcohol/ water free technique and leave all your problems behind forever amen?? And if you include the freezer, you'll get rid of the povidone, a churlish red goo that's worse than the carnuba as regards gunking up things at the end. but you have to promise to throw the cleaned freebase away afterwards. |
| dwarfer Member |
posted 09-17-1999 08:13 PM
Sorry to stick my overly large dwarfish red nose into this: but Worlock's used to it, so i presume he'll forgive me: Why don't you just TRY, once, the sand filter (chromatography column) and alcohol/ water free technique and leave all your problems behind forever amen?? And if you include the freezer, you'll get rid of the povidone, a churlish red goo that's worse than the carnuba as regards gunking up things at the end. but you have to promise to throw the cleaned freebase away afterwards. |
| Barracuda1965 Member |
posted 09-17-1999 08:17 PM
I think anything to relieve the sheer tedium of the extraction is a godsend. You just said alcohol -free. Doesn't this utilize a methanol soak and then pour through the sand. Let me check my notes. Maybe that phenylacetone method isn't so much trouble after all. ------------------ |
| dwarfer Member |
posted 09-17-1999 08:18 PM
Yeah, Stoni: u b rite: When I find a giant NOSE looking down on me, I tend to become a large, rock hard, irritating SNOT! The removal of which also takes a couple of nose hairs, the roots of which become abcessed........ Wait: perhaps I've overplayed this analogy???? nose news
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| dwarfer Member |
posted 09-17-1999 08:31 PM
Testing testing last try (Helloooooooooooo?????????) Interesting is this ultimate anoonymity in action?? Probably be 3 copies tomorrrow. What's this page two
crap?? ;Yeah, Stoni: u b rite: When I find a giant NOSE looking down on me, I tend to become a large, rock hard, irritating SNOT! The removal of which also takes a couple of nose hairs, the roots of which become abcessed........ Wait: perhaps I've overplayed this analogy???? nose news
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| dwarfer Member |
posted 09-17-1999 08:35 PM
GEEZE: Sorry Barracuda: I'm trying an anonymiser that somehow has me crosslinked. Alcohol, the cheapo stuff you get at the hrdware store: mostly methanol: has IPA and ethyl too I think. Lets see if this gets in the right thread. damn |
| Worlock Member |
posted 09-17-1999 08:44 PM
Yes both methods will work. The Dwarfer has the simplest solution. You must have mostly good stuff uin the sample. so a litt;e filtering may be all you need. The sand filter is awesome, It will not require a very large unit for 3-4 grams so don't let him sell you the 3 liter model. The amount of surface area in rhe sand filter is awesome. You won't need more tham a 200 ml capacity. methanol would be the better solvent(more specific) but distilled water (very cold) should work just fine. |
| Worlock Member |
posted 09-17-1999 08:58 PM
I believe the dwarf meant use alcohol that is water free. The a/b method would use toluene, lye and water andv HCl
add 200 ml d-water to toluene add drops of HCL until d-water layer is
pH 7.0-8.0 shaking in between drops. |
| cactus Member |
posted 09-18-1999 09:40 PM
I am looking into microwave extraction. Put methanol in freezer until very cold. Grind up psuedoephedrine pills that do not contain sugar or povidone. I understand that they are available at Walmart and a lot of grocery stores. Have a field trip and drop one person off at each store in a close 3 mile range. Circle around to pick the people up. Use a large van or Suburban. This way you can accumulate a lot of these pills. Only 3 boxes should be picked up per person/store. I will post the yields and more precise instructions. Safety Warning: Be sure and get all the aluminum and any metal away from powder and methanol solution. If a piece of aluminum gets in the solution the microwave will swell 4 extra inches in diameter and the door will disconnect and fly across the room. I know someone that had this happen. PS. Tell the search party that the cook-off is 3 days later than the
real cook-off. That way it is much safer and no When de de de When de de
de you to death. ------------------ |
| newbee
boy Member |
posted 09-18-1999 10:56 PM
Having not done anything yet except a few attempts at extractions and not wanting to do anything until I have everything down pat in my head and truly understand all mechanics and reactions etc. So I can do all and every procedure without reverting to any reading of text or notes. Just when I think I have everything just right using all latest techniques and info. Now you want to confuse me more!!! But I am happy for it if it makes things easier and cleaner. and I love learning! So I am going with the glass bead filter as I assume it would be cleaner(something does not feel right about sand. I know it is pretty clean have sandblasted with it before) SO here is my brief write-up of extraction! 1. Grind pills. This is for use in P/P method. Freebase preferred for better yields!! This is my understanding so far for cleanest results and ease and
fastest extraction. MAybe heat water/pseudo after sand filter so less lye
is used?? Ala Worlock! |
| (Lloyd) Member |
posted 09-19-1999 09:42 PM
I think that will work fine, although I prefer to start with flinging the pills in a blender with mixed alcohols, filtering (you can let the crap settle first or not: does not make a hill of beans. Rinse the filter with a 100 ml of alcohol. Put the alcohol back into the blender, turn on low and add NaOH to 12.5. If you use xylene as a N/P to extract, sometimes the alcohol and xylene will be miscible: no biggee, put the whole shebang in the freezer. Next morn the xylene will be on THE BOTTOM. Separate and evap to get E in superb %. I uspect that naptha will separate without the freezer treatment: if you are using as a source materials some that have povidone or other whatevers, it's worthwhile doing the freeezer routine anyway: several times I have noted interesting contaminants whose appearance was unexpected, givein the clarity of the material before introducing to the Frigidaire. The difference in composition of sand and glass beads is (generally) quite small. The biggest difference is in the physical characteristics of the individual grains,
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| Worlock Member |
posted 09-20-1999 04:03 AM
Time release 24 hour 240 mg tabs cut in half soak in water a lot of d-water then begin boiling the water, a lot of the crap will coagulate and clot up remove with a screen or filter or both , evaporate water , soak in methanol or denatured chill in freezer and filter , acetone wash. these pills yield a good return in meth |
| Android Member |
posted 09-20-1999 10:37 AM
Just when you think it's safe to browse the crystal meth forum, the extraction posts are back! 
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| cantstanditanymore Member |
posted 09-20-1999 12:38 PM
Like Worlock says, dH2O, methanol, acitone in that order. Some of the extractions go with a, m, d, in that order, but i find that the opposite works best for me. 200 x 60ml white pills, (smaller lots seem to work better also) Pills in blender (10 minutes) 250ml boiling water, shake, filter, repeat twice. Last water pull is not very bitter. Evaporate. Methanol, 1 bottle (Heet) 355ml., added to powder, shake, evaporate. Take powder swish around in acitone, pour off fuel, evaporate. Done....... Thanx !
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| cantstanditanymore Member |
posted 09-20-1999 12:43 PM
Oh, forgot to mention. 100 x 60 = 12g. E After extraction 11.4g. E
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| cantstanditanymore Member |
posted 09-20-1999 12:46 PM
Oppppp's 
200 X 60 = 12g. E Whatdafuck.... |
| Uncle Ho
Monga Member |
posted 09-20-1999 02:46 PM
Ah this one glad to see Worlockian success with 24 hour specials. Solly to note probably now see 24 hour specials disappear from his neighborhood at speed of light like do where i hang out. Clean EZ: slightly higher front end price but 100% yield and super clean. Although still think alcohol / sand trap best, have not tried boiling water so probably should waste, I mean try, some pills in that technique. Good for you CSIAM!! Yes, Android: but a paradigm shift has taken place in the last 2 months. Quicker faster better easier cheaper more complete better yields. UHM |
| Worlock Member |
posted 09-20-1999 04:34 PM
Utilized the sand and water but it was ineffective, perhaps I should state my screw up first, I used mostly the 240 mg tabs but also used a box of ten 120mg tabs that were primarily a wax release system. The product was really shit I just want to keep my own precursers safe by reccommending these other dead enders. Seriously, I gave the stuff away to dwarfer cause he does not do drugs at all, he is totally alcohol pickled listen to his slurred speach |
| newbee
boy Member |
posted 09-20-1999 08:35 PM
So my write-up looks cool except I should add a acetone wash before water to wash away any waxes that might make some pseudo get caught up in sand yeh??...... I don't see advantage of alcohol .. Please explain why you think neccessary if thats the case and to everyone please note we are after freebase and not just cleaned pill extracts so some of your steps are useless seeing as basifying and extracting with the tol is gonna get rid of just about everything!! NB>out |
| dwarfer Member |
posted 09-21-1999 03:30 PM
Ah, worlock, how is it that you do not follow instructions but still are a fine cook? Must be the incantations you mutter as you ply your crafty craft. I'll never forget your muttereing over those fineley filtered feathers, fatuously. You mean given the opportunity to actually do a clean extraction with the microcellulose products all by them lonesomeselfnesses, you purposefully introduced the fatty waxers just to make things complicated?? What a masochist! Or, more likely, the matter is becomeing so easy for you that you have to make it harder for the challenge of it all. +++++++++++++ Nevertheless you be geting different results than I: Howesabout we make a deal: I'll do it your way with boiling the plastic broken pustules in water and scraping off the agglomerated water sodden floating masses of white grunge; and then evaporate? dissolve in NP, and whatever however you tell me to do it. and you do it my way with cheapo mixed alcohols from the hardware store, and the sand trap, sand trap wash, and basify, extract with xylene, and evap. Beats the crap outa me why water should make so much difference in results, but I've never tried it with water and apparently you've never tried it with alcohol so herer we are ?? I'll try it again before this weekend: I've tried several variations with the red hots which are harder because of povidone and wax: the wax has never held up the ephedrine in the filter that I've noted. And seeing as how it's still like little pools of liquid oil in the freezer at zero degrees, I have a hard time equating it with the stuff in the 5 gallons of super wax I have from Vietnam War surplus with CARNUBA on the outside. With the 24 hour goodies, I've blended with alcohol, basified, salted (no increase in yield), and added xylene and THEN filtered the whole shebang at once: and gotten the same super yields. The process does not seem to be prodedure-order sensitive. i just thought of something- I've previously mentioned that it takes the freezer to resolve the xylene from the alcohol: but it did not before in these early 24 hour-special experiments. I wonder if the alcohol dissolves enough NaCL to cause it to
differentiate without the cold treatment? Anyway, as regards swapping techniques: That way, we can compare notes in re ease and results on say, maybe 20 24 hour specials?? otherwise, being creatures of habit and happy as hell with how it works for us we'll probably never try the other dude's sytem. Whaddaya say? Then I'll leave the 4.0 grams I'll get (out of 4.8
possible) [ adjusted for freebase from the .HCL salt] out of YOUR system
under a mesquite bush south of Tuscon so you can pick it up for your
collection: sein' as how i of course have no further use for it. (Hic!) drunkdwarfer |
| Hematite Member |
posted 09-21-1999 04:11 PM
Now just to bee a nuisance little lump of rock (heavy in iron content) I read somewhere,poss. Merck, that pseudo must be protected from freezing ! Any ideas or comments guys ? ------------------ |
| Worlock Member |
posted 09-21-1999 05:53 PM
Dwarfer, Yes I did, add the wax balls to the pure microcrystal cellulose, and tried to take it back, then thought hell go for it. You see I wrongly assumed the 12 hour and the 24 hour specials were both plastic coated with four holes. After checking the packageing ingredients, it was too late. You see I tossed da shit into a blender and did not mess with cutting them in half, but they were so concentrated they did not fill enough volume in the blender, I had to add water just so they would get caught in the blades. With several boxes of the 12 hour specials, they were cut in half,
dissolved in methanol, filtered and have sat in limbo for 3 days now
Not only that but: As far as the extraction challenge, I once again appeal to your sense
of fairness in that I have never seen your solvent of mixed alcohols in
stores here. I can not find the stuff. Otherwise I would take you up on
the test in a heartbeat. In addition the hardware brand of xylol I have
access to is trash. And yes I am allowed to break the rules, and still end up OK, it is in
my contract, didn't your people have such a clause added to yours? High-noon Tuscon is perfect, forget the bush, I'll meet you in the bar, reformed alcoholic or not you will not leave, un-drunk. |
| dwarfer Member |
posted 09-21-1999 07:53 PM
Home Base, Home Club, Orchard: any of the largish ones will have it. I presume you added a NP to the basified alcohol? And did not get an interface? As remembered above, it would be neat for you to add some NaCl to the blender and mix it and see if the extremely low amount of salt that will dissolve in the alcohol will then effect separation: if not, put it in the freezer and it will. Hematite, I've not ever seen the anti-freezing prohibition: but at zero the dissolved material in the alcohol or NP is still liquid. (I'm thinking mechanical stresses in the OTC pills: but maybe I'm missing something here.) ========= Here, in Cali, you can't get toluene without a court order: I presume because of the benzaldehyde connection: otherwise it does not make sense toleave the xylene available and not toluene. ????? ================== OK: but you have to be designated driver on the way out, so you are 86'ed on arrival!!
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| Worlock Member |
posted 09-22-1999 08:37 PM
No way, we stumble out together, Adventure yes, driving vehicles nada No problem finding transportation HOme base, home this or that This is like an island, yes the hair brained idea is more than just a pipe dream he also says that the plant should be picked now although it flowers in
the spring. and the variety or sub species or whatever is the key to success. Stephano is too clever, he is articulate, tells it the way it is, and
has a command of chemistry that is deeper than I'll ever see.
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| dwarfer Member |
posted 09-22-1999 09:40 PM
Man that is AMAZING. So how does one culture this amazing "bug". ?? Glad Masterhand is helpin. dwrfer |
| dwarfer Member |
posted 09-22-1999 09:43 PM
and the subspecies?? I know that the picture URL's you posted a few weeks ago were way too green for what i recall. My recollection is greyish green and not as intense. What and how do you recognize and where does it grow?? |
| chief_roman_nose Junior Member |
posted 09-22-1999 11:50 PM
Worlock I am interested in finding out more about the extraction from the plant. Preferably info that includes water and solvent volumes with respect to the quantity of ground stem. Thank you! |
| Worlock Member |
posted 09-23-1999 12:00 PM
Here is an interesting type of extraction, that may be useful in some situatuions. It uses a solubility trick. Supplies & equipment: Method: This works because ephedrine is not soluble in acetone. So by
increasing the acetone concentration while simultaneously decreasing the
methanol concentration the solution soon becomes unable to hold dissolved
ephedrine. The ephedrine precipitates out. The cold acetone assures a
better return since acetone will dissolve a small amount of
ephedrine. Personally I intend to try this on some waxed out go-go shortly.
These proceduress are presented for testing by Bees only. You will not obtain favorable results if unfamiliar with the hive's standard methodology. In other words, if you fuck it up, you only have yourself to blame. None of these experimental approaches are to be used for performing illegal activities. |
| Worlock Member |
posted 09-24-1999 05:17 PM
Addendum The concentration of E or M must be very high. This works best if the E or M are not 100% dissolved but more like 80% to 90% disolved , (contains some solids). |
| Worlock Member |
posted 09-24-1999 05:21 PM
Addendum II Do not chill the methanol as stated above. |
| Worlock Member |
posted 09-24-1999 05:30 PM
Adding this into your ephedrine cleaning procedure, is vital if your reaction has been failing. |
| Worlock Member |
posted 09-25-1999 01:25 PM
Using the methanol with dissolved "gold" then adding the cold acetone, woked very well. It formed a flocculent precipitate immediately, the go-go was filtered and dried to a fluffy white powder, the increased volume was too slick. The procedure removed all bitterness from the go-go when smoked it was very smooth, the high was clean, too clean , a big rush, racing heart rate, profuse sweating, a tendency to perform some activity, cleaning , repair work, an aphrodesiac, not as, a real tooth grinder. If you got some real shitty stuff, waxed out, or salted out crap, this be the way to go. be sure that the gold is concentrated, best to add the gold to a bit of methanol and keep on adding until no
more will dissolve wait a few minutes then try to dissolve more, until it
is saturated and the methanol shows a slight cloudiness, then you know it
is concentrated. |
| Android Member |
posted 09-26-1999 09:04 AM
Please don't confuse my post, Uncle Ho! It was a positive post to these great soldiers. I'm elated about this thread. You're all my heroes! Thank you! Android ------------------ |
| gemini33 Member |
posted 09-26-1999 06:16 PM
Worlock? Uncle Ho? Same??? naw, couldnt bee... ??? |
| Flounder Junior Member |
posted 09-26-1999 06:49 PM
Uncle Ho Monga Need your help, Linda-lou my gal became all upset with me the othernight. I had dinner with her, then we watched TV like always, but I was strange like she wanted me to take my clothes off or hers or something, I don't know? Anyway after wrestling for a while she became quite angry and screamed something about eating her Poon Tang. That if I did not like it, just say so! ??????// I ate everything on my plate, I always do. I figured this was a dessert or something I missed. Anyway that was the last time I talked to her, she won't take my calls. The worlock said you were familiar with those oriental tunas and that I
should ask you. Can you help me Uncle Ho?? Flounder |
| gemini33 Member |
posted 09-26-1999 10:16 PM
Sorry, but Gemini33 needed some Push-pull tutoring from him. It was an emergency. We are working on CHEMISTRY! You know... he is very good at that.
gemini33 |
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